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Age · Dec 25, 2007, 11:34 PM // 23:34

What are the best weapon mods today?I am still using a Furious as well as a elemental mod and have a vamp.I use an ebon for melee type and furious just to build up adrenal as I don't have room for FGJ.What is up with sundering?

MBP · Dec 25, 2007, 11:49 PM // 23:49

I like furious or icy/fiery/shocking for sword

Sundering or zealous for axe

I don't know about the exact math involved in the sundering mod, but basically more armor penetration = more damage correct?

RotteN · Dec 26, 2007, 01:14 AM // 01:14

my standard PvP setup is zealous-elemental-vamp

zealous or vamp for everyday bashing (depends if i need the energy or not)

vamp for spikes on everything except warriors

elemental for spikes on warriors

if you're interested in the background on sundering :
http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Damage_calculation

**Marty Silverblade** · Dec 26, 2007, 01:29 AM // 01:29

PvE - Vamp or Sundering for damage, Zealous if you need energy (this is meh imo due to DSlash)

Faer · Dec 26, 2007, 02:45 AM // 02:45

Axe - Sundering, Elemental, Vampiric
Sword - Elemental, Vampiric
Hammer - Vampiric, Elemental, ZEALOUS LULZ

In order of preference, of course. All types are carried at the appropriate times, to allow for on-the-spot set swaps according to the present circumstances.

Crom The Pale · Dec 26, 2007, 03:56 AM // 03:56

Sundering/Vamp/Elemental

Never been a fan of zealous.

The real hard question is does anyone use a Suffix other than +30hp? and if so why do you use it?

Coloneh · Dec 26, 2007, 04:18 AM // 04:18

of defense. I always use it for pve. its more use than fortitude when you already have 600 hp and costs next to nothing.

Randvek · Dec 26, 2007, 04:21 AM // 04:21

Vamp is the best, though a quick switch to Elemental when you're on a Warrior or between fights is always pro.

h9dlb · Dec 26, 2007, 12:52 PM // 12:52

I agree vamp is best by a long way. It can be annoying to use when your out of combat due to the -1 health degeneration, but if there are any healers in your party they will heal you automatically, or you can just switch the sword into your back pack. However vampiric comes into its own once you get into combat due to its life stealing abilities and is great with any skill hich increases attack speed.

If you cant get the mod you can buy a full vampiric sword or get the drop - see Wahli's blade , or Shiro's sword. Both are identical except the skin - these are the stats, although I dont know how much they cost to buy

* Slashing damage 15-22 (req. 13 Swordsmanship)
* Damage +15% (while Health is above 50%)
* Life stealing: 3
* Health Regeneration - 1
* Health +30

Shadow Own · Dec 26, 2007, 07:18 PM // 19:18

shiro sword is CRAP
it has a requirement of 13

victo's blade,wahli's blade or sword of the kinslayer have r9, same stats, so i would never take shiros sword

Yichi · Dec 26, 2007, 07:28 PM // 19:28

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shadow Own

shiro sword is CRAP
it has a requirement of 13

victo's blade,wahli's blade or sword of the kinslayer have r9, same stats, so i would never take shiros sword

you run less than 14 swordsmanship on a warrior??!!

iridescentfyre · Dec 26, 2007, 07:40 PM // 19:40

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Originally Posted by Age

What is up with sundering?

On a weapon like an axe or a scythe, which have high critical damage and are used for spiking, Sundering is decent in a way that Vampiric isn't. A sundering crit hitting somewhere during an Eviscerate spike is really mean.

For a sword which isn't really used for spiking, or daggers, Sundering is less desireable. When these weapons are doing damage (i.e. Dragon Slash), its usually based on the armor-ignoring +damage mods they get, not crits or base damage as much.

Coloneh · Dec 27, 2007, 01:45 AM // 01:45

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Originally Posted by iridescentfyre

On a weapon like an axe or a scythe, which have high critical damage and are used for spiking, Sundering is decent in a way that Vampiric isn't. A sundering crit hitting somewhere during an Eviscerate spike is really mean.

For a sword which isn't really used for spiking, or daggers, Sundering is less desireable. When these weapons are doing damage (i.e. Dragon Slash), its usually based on the armor-ignoring +damage mods they get, not crits or base damage as much.

note that average DPS of a vampiric weapon is higher on every weapon type than sundering.

blue.rellik · Dec 27, 2007, 02:30 AM // 02:30

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shadow Own

shiro sword is CRAP
it has a requirement of 13

victo's blade,wahli's blade or sword of the kinslayer have r9, same stats, so i would never take shiros sword

What are you, a ranger or something? Why does the req even matter?

Surena · Dec 27, 2007, 09:41 AM // 09:41

low req on warriors is either showoff or a sign of a very bad player, which includes all obsidian tanks. In the beginning of Guild Wars people would believe that a low req weapon would benefit you with a higher chance of critical hits.

I think zealous is the best weapon mod you could bring in PvE. It powers YMLAD and other bonbon skills very well.

KazeMitsui · Dec 27, 2007, 12:05 PM // 12:05

ok so pve wise
i just use vamp and sundering and frenzy all my weapons

in pvp
axe - zealous, vamp, ele, sundering for when i feel like it
sword - sundering, ele, vamp
hammer - sundering, vamp

zealous is a must on shock axe and frenzy spam imo

h9dlb · Dec 28, 2007, 06:16 PM // 18:16

Shiro's sword is not "crap". A swordsman needs swordsmanship of at least 14 to do any real damage so it doesnt matter that shiro's sword has a req of 13

Yukito Kunisaki · Dec 28, 2007, 09:37 PM // 21:37

I play from a PvE standpoint but the weapons I list can be used for PvP as well.

Your first 3 melee weapons should be in this order:

Zealous, Vampiric, Elemental.

Your fourth weapon should be a vampiric bow of some sort. Since you're running it with no req. and no bow skillz, some armor ignoring health stolen is your best bet, though small, it's used for pulling or combining with teammates while casting Barbs on your opponent.

Zealous is good since your first targets should be casters, if the wall of melee coming to your party is too large, have your elemental weapon as your first weapon.

Vampiric is your second priority since you should only equip it if your health/energy is high [no need for zealous], your foe has low armor [not melee], and you're ready to spike. It should never be equipped outside combat for obvious reasons...

Elemental is last since well, shouldn't you deal with enemy warriors last? If you're forced to deal with them first, then this should be used instead of zealous.

I used to be a fan of the +30 hp Fortitude Mods, but have found the of Defense mods to be better. First off, it's cheaper, and second, in terms of armor ignoring degen, that extra 30 hp will only prevent 2 seconds of it since you're losing 20hp/s. at 10 degen... gah* It MIGHT be good as a DP shock absorber but it does NOT justify the price. That's right, that Armor modifier is much better value for your Gold than that fortitude mod. I personally go the unique item route so I always have +30 hp ^_^.

You shouldn't have to use Sundering or any other % based garbage mods. They may do well on shields, but as an attack, i want to know I'm getting my mod to land 100% of the time. You're using Executioner's Strike or some other HUGE armor ignoring damage modifier skill right? Who cares about Sundering's garbage? [there's a 20% chance 1 in 5 that your attack skill pierce armor... wth?]

Furious is also a % based garbage buff. If you're in a REAL hurry to build adrenaline, bring FGJ or Mark of Fury. Being able to use pure buff mods vs. % based is more efficient. No guesswork needed. You have an IAS right? Building Adrenaline should NEVER be an issue with that in your bar...

iridescentfyre · Dec 28, 2007, 10:14 PM // 22:14

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Originally Posted by Yukito Kunisaki

Elemental is last since well, shouldn't you deal with enemy warriors last?

Depends on how much of a threat they are. I actually find that in practice, if an enemy group is going to wipe my group, its going to be one of two things: either a massively powerful HM elementalist or channeling rit boss, or really strong melee. Sometimes the warriors are just doing the heaviest DPS against my group.